Kitfox Aircraft Stick and Rudder Stein Air Grove Aircraft TCW Technologies Dynon Avionics AeroLED MGL Avionics Leading Edge Airfoils Desser EarthX Batteries Garmin G3X Touch
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: condition inspection

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Senior Member efwd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Yorba Linda, CA
    Posts
    2,830

    Default Re: condition inspection

    Paul, remind me, if I deviate from the manual and don't build to the SLSA specifications I then have to register as EAB correct? I put Oratex on mine so I am required to register EAB correct. I always figured I would register it this way anyhow but just wondering if that is the difference.
    Eddie

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Garland, Texas
    Posts
    1,476

    Default Re: condition inspection

    Yes any homebuilt needs to be registered as a EAB. The only way you can get an ELSA is either purchase an SLSA and have the DAR change the registration to an ELSA. The other is to buy a Kit from a Manufacturer of SLSA, that is sells a kit as an ELSA Kit and build it exactly as the manufacturer specifies, same gauges, same radios, same configuration Tail Dragger, or Tricycle Gear etc. the only decision you get to make is effectively paint scheme & color, and interior color.

    They are very restrictive on what is an ELSA. Also, a Light Sport Repairman can not sign off annuals on EAB LSA, they can work on them but they can't sign off tge Annuals. Light Sport Repairmen can only sign annuals off for ELSAs & SLSAs. That is what Carroll & Brian Carpenter of Rainbow Aviation taught us when I took the Light Sport Repairman certification classes in California.
    Last edited by Paul Z; 08-11-2017 at 08:26 AM.
    Paul Zimmermann
    LSRM-A
    Garland, Texas

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Garland, Texas
    Posts
    1,476

    Default Re: condition inspection

    For clarification if it is a EAB Light Sport, that was built by a LSRM-A, and the LSRM-A applied for the Repairman Certificate he can sign off Annuals on that specific EAB. FYI, that is what Carol Carpenter at Rainbow Aviation in Corning California taught my class.
    Paul Zimmermann
    LSRM-A
    Garland, Texas

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    N Little Rock Ar
    Posts
    128

    Default Re: condition inspection

    the only way for a Kitfox to be an SLSA is for Kitfox to build it.

    They do not have a kit under the SLSA rules.

    David Kelm

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Garland, Texas
    Posts
    1,476

    Default Re: condition inspection

    Kitfox does build SLSA I currently own one. They do not however have ELSA Kits, and you can not build a Kitfox ELSA. You can take an SLSA and covert it to an ELSA. Why would someone do that? If I did that then once converted, I could add an Auto Pilot, or I could add the Bush Gear Legs, or I could use the STi Wing. As long as it is an SLSA, the owner can not make any changes to the aircraft, without written permission from Kitfox.
    Paul Zimmermann
    LSRM-A
    Garland, Texas

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Garland, Texas
    Posts
    1,476

    Default Re: condition inspection

    Homebuilt Kits, would be under ELSA Designation IF Kitfox offered them!
    Kitfox does build SLSA.

    Aircraft that are Classified SLSA: Can have Annual done by IA, A&P, or LSRM-A
    1) HAS to be Built by the Factory

    Aircraft that are Classified ELSA: Can have Annual done by IA, A&P, or LSRM-A
    1) It is a SLSA that was built by the Factory & Converted via Paperwork through the DAR to and ELSA
    2) If the Factory offers a ELSA Kit of one of their SLSA Models - you can build the plane as an ELSA. However, it must match the Standards specified by the Factory for their ELSA in every way

    Aircraft that are Classified Experimental Amateur Built - that meet Light Sport Catagory EAB (LSA): Can have Annual done by IA, or A&P
    1) Almost any Kit that has SLSAs, and a lot of designs that don't have SLSAs can be built as an EAB (LSA)
    2) However must mee ALL of the Light Sport Specifications as spelled out in the Regulations for a Light Sport:
    Max. Gross Takeoff Weight - 1,320 lbs (1,430 lbs for seaplanes)
    Max. Stall Speed - 51 mph / 45 knots CAS
    Max. Speed in Level Flight (VH) - 138 mph / 120 knots CAS
    Seats - Two (max.)
    Engines / Motors - One (max. if powered.)
    Propeller - Fixed-pitch or ground adjustable
    Cabin - Unpressurized
    Landing Gear - Fixed (except for seaplanes and gliders)


    Quote Originally Posted by dcsfoto View Post
    the only way for a Kitfox to be an SLSA is for Kitfox to build it.

    They do not have a kit under the SLSA rules.

    David Kelm
    Last edited by Paul Z; 08-12-2017 at 10:34 AM.
    Paul Zimmermann
    LSRM-A
    Garland, Texas

  7. #7
    Senior Member efwd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Yorba Linda, CA
    Posts
    2,830

    Default Re: condition inspection

    "Aircraft that are Classified Experimental Amateur Built - that meet Light Sport Catagory EAB (LSA): Can have Annual done by IA, or A&P"

    Paul, did you forget to include "the person who holds the repairman certificate" as one who can also do the Annual? It has been awhile since I read the Regs. I hope so. I didn't expect to involve any paid labor.
    Eddie

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Garland, Texas
    Posts
    1,476

    Default Re: condition inspection

    Quote Originally Posted by efwd View Post
    "Aircraft that are Classified Experimental Amateur Built - that meet Light Sport Catagory EAB (LSA): Can have Annual done by IA, or A&P"

    Paul, did you forget to include "the person who holds the repairman certificate" as one who can also do the Annual? It has been awhile since I read the Regs. I hope so. I didn't expect to involve any paid labor.
    Eddie
    Yes, but that is usually 1 or 2 planes. If you built the EAB (LSA) and you got the Repairman Certificate, you can inspect the plane and by the way do not need to be certified as an IA, A&P, or LSRM-A.
    Paul Zimmermann
    LSRM-A
    Garland, Texas

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •