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    Curious what everybody is thinking about doing for the 2020 ADS-B Mandate?

    I've been looking at solutions for my plane, which has a GTX-320 Transponder,
    and an AK-350 Encoder. So far what I have been able to figure out
    is that a UAT based system like the GDL-94, or the Freeflight Rangr
    would work since the have a built-in WAAS GPS. However I still can't
    figure out that after I add this system, do I toss my existing transponder
    and Encoder? Or do I have to some how wire this new gear to talk to
    the transponder, and encoder?

    It seems that the ADS-B out system needs to ALSO output the ATC squawk
    code, so is this something that can be entered through a separate "head"
    unit? OR does it have to tie to the transponder? If it has to tie to the
    transponder then that rules out mine, since it has not serial out, etc.

    If in fact I have to add a "head" unit to enter the squawk, does that
    replace the existing transponder, in effect allowing me to toss out the
    transponder/encode which I already have?

    Also despite my advocacy of Paper charts, etc. I do in fact have a tablet
    with Garmin Pilot, and I think it's a waste of money to buy an ADS-B In
    solution for it, which will likely be replicated with the "required" equipment
    for the airplane anyway?

    After all the above is sorted out, does my wife divorce me for spending $5K
    that doesn't take her to a nice warm, and sunny place in the middle of the
    winter???

    Ideas?

    Thanks!
    Jeff Hays

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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    the Navworx system can pick up the squawk code from any transponder (decodes it off the antenna cable). I recently installed one and am quite happy with it.
    (also << than $5K though still not warm and tropical)
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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Is that the ADS600-BG system that you used?

    Jeff

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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Since I'm using Foreflight with a Stratus 2 ads-b in, I'm very interested in the announced transponder from Appareo Systems. It's supposed to be tray compatible with a Garmin 327 which is what I'm using now. It also provides a cable to both power the Stratus 2 and to provide it with the "ownship" signal to prevent false positives from your own plane.

    It's vaporware at the moment, so we'll see.
    http://www.appareo.com/aviation/ads-b/
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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Quote Originally Posted by n85ae View Post
    Is that the ADS600-BG system that you used?

    Jeff
    ADS600-B I think, see this thread (non certified unit)
    http://www.teamkitfox.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=5974
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    I talked to Bill at Navworx yesterday, and asked about the B unit. He said it
    has the functionality, but would require upgrade before 2020 to meet the
    mandate as it wasn't fully compliant. He said to be fully compliant would
    require the BG. Not sure exactly why that was though. Might be something
    to check. Looks like a decent system, and I like the way it works.

    Jeff

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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Is there a list of the thousand plus airports that will require the system or is the entire U.S. airspace affected by the mandate? Does it eliminate me flying in G airspace in my backyard? Sorry if that's a dumb question, but consider the source.

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    I believe it's only required where you need a Mode-C transponder today.
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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Anything that requires Mode-C will require it. If you installed something
    currently that met the mandate you would have to install a device in
    the $3K+ range (if you do it yourself) ...

    So I'm going to wait. I talked to AOPA Advocacy on the phone, and they
    are "hoping/working" for a solution, such as an ADS-B "Out", portable
    device similar to the current "In" only devices. Which could be carried
    onboard and make the flight legal.

    The Navworx device, or the Garmin GDL-84 UAT look nice, BUT the price
    tag doesn't ...

    Jeff

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    Default Re: ADS-B Out

    Random thoughts -

    Actually I'm a bit surprised I don't see more about this issue in these forums,
    this ADS-B mandate is real, and even at the cheap end of the "best-guessed"
    cost. Each one of us who doesn't fly out of the sticks is going to end up
    paying well over $1K, and quite possibly $3-5K just to keep flying our planes.

    I personally like the idea of ADS-B, just not the cost associated.

    Jeff

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