I did not repost this......, Some one else did, although it is an excellent editorial if you ask me.
I did not repost this......, Some one else did, although it is an excellent editorial if you ask me.
My opinion is that the only place you will find documentation of any take off weight for an experimental aircraft is in the aircraft log book where the completion of the phase one testing is documented with the gross weight when the V speeds were determined.
I loaded and tested mine to 1050 because that was what Skystar published as a maximum gross weight for a classic 4 with the 503 rotax.
It would be interesting to hear what otheres have entered.
Last edited by t j; 01-18-2012 at 09:03 AM.
Tom Jones
Classic 4 builder
"......the only place you will find documentation of any take off weight for an experimental aircraft is in the aircraft log book where the completion of the phase one testing is documented with the gross weight when the V speeds were determined."
That may be true for a more recent aircraft..., but my Operating Limitations do not require such information to be included in the logs. Only the statement "I certify that this aircraft is controllable through its normal range of speeds and throughout all maneuvers to be executed; and the aircrafthas no hazardous operating characteristics or design features."
(To all) Feel free to attempt to find any reference to any weight (limitation or anything else) in the paperwork for N84KF in the attached pdf documents. Also, any requirement in the documents or any FAR to enter in the logs such information at any time.
Last edited by 84KF; 01-18-2012 at 09:49 AM.
I'll take your word for it.
Tom Jones
Classic 4 builder
Steve/Tom/All: Lets not make this a ****ing match, I think we all have lots to gain by understanding this better.... having never filed for airworthiness on a build (I've only restored planes never done one from scratch) I do not know what all paperwork is/was submitted with my Kitfox 5. Steve: does your logbook have a 'tested through xxx lbs' entry? Do you have a dataplate showing max gross?
On a related note, if max gross weight was NOT supplied to the FAA, and if it is NOT in a logbook, is it only in the builder-or-owner-developed weight and balance and no where else?
~Wild
I was required to supply a weight and balance sheet to the FAA showing operational envelope and max weight. I have no knowledge if this is common or generally required.
Dorsal ~~^~~
Series 7 - Tri-Gear
912 ULS Warp Drive
Dorsal did they keep a copy of it, or just want you to demonstrate you had it?
" Steve: does your logbook have a 'tested through xxx lbs' entry?"
No..., why would it? This was mentioned and explaind in the previous post.
"Do you have a dataplate showing max gross?"
Again, no..., and it is not required by the FARs.
"I do not know what all paperwork is/was submitted with my Kitfox 5."
You can get them from the FAA here.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...craft_records/
Just verifying Steve. I have my paperwork on order at this time they are very slow.
If your logbook DID have an entry in there saying 'tested to max gross 1400lbs' for example..... am I correct that would no longer be considered a Light Sport capable aircraft due to the fact it's exceeded weight at least once 'since original certification'?