airworthiness

[tx_swordguy]

saw an ad for a plane that "needs current airworthiness". I looked it up and it's registration expired 2 yrs ago. All I can find in my internet search is that the n-number will not be available for 5 yrs. I would therefore need to apply for a new n- number and I assume I would need the AW cert updated for the new n-number. My question is would I also need to get a new AW done? I thought they never expired. So would I just need to apply for a new registration and n-number change along with it being changed on the AW cert? or would I have to have a whole new AW inspection done along with all that? I know that the annual is needed but that is another issue. I know I will have to go through the FAA but my experience is the people I have talked to don't know as much as I would like for them to and I usually leave with more questions than answers.

[gregsgt]

I saw that ad. I took it as it just needs a current annual done.


saw an ad for a plane that "needs current airworthiness". I looked it up and it's registration expired 2 yrs ago. All I can find in my internet search is that the n-number will not be available for 5 yrs. I would therefore need to apply for a new n- number and I assume I would need the AW cert updated for the new n-number. My question is would I also need to get a new AW done? I thought they never expired. So would I just need to apply for a new registration and n-number change along with it being changed on the AW cert? or would I have to have a whole new AW inspection done along with all that? I know that the annual is needed but that is another issue. I know I will have to go through the FAA but my experience is the people I have talked to don't know as much as I would like for them to and I usually leave with more questions than answers.

[tx_swordguy]

According to FAA aircraft query it has an expired registration and I am sure out of annual. Since reg is older than 90 days expired the n-number is no longer valid or available so at the very least it needs a new number and annual.

[TahoeTim]

some sellers remove the plane's registration and sell it as parts to avoid liability

if so, you would have to start over with the inspection, registration, etc

[avidflyer]

According to FAA aircraft query it has an expired registration and I am sure out of annual. Since reg is older than 90 days expired the n-number is no longer valid or available so at the very least it needs a new number and annual.

I think the current owner can get the paperwork in order with the FAA if he wants to. The way these registrations get expired is usually the person has moved and not informed the FAA of their current address. When the FAA sends the info for renewing the registration every three years, that letter goes to the address they have. The post office does not forward this to a new address but sends it back to the FAA. Then the registration expires. The registration is not purged for at least 6 years I believe. I think the owner can straighten out the paperwork by contacting the FAA and following their directions. Jim Chuk

[dcsfoto]

get it registered

put new number on airplane

get A DAR to issue you an Amended Airworthiness certificate and limitations


David Kelm
FAA DAR
Kitfox 7SS 912iS

[avidflyer]

Can you elaborate on your reply a bit? Please understand that I'm not asking this in a doubting way, but rather I honestly would like to understand more about how this process would work. Thanks, Jim Chuk

[dcsfoto]

if it was me. the first thing is to make sure that the Airworthiness certificate was not turned into the FAA.
if that was done there may be no way to reissue it.

say you have the aircraft records, old airworthiness cert, and old limitations
you need :
1. new N number
2. aircraft registered ( FAA form 8050-3 hard card)
3. n number on the aircraft
with all that
4. make application to the FAA ( FSDO office or a DAR)
to get an Amended Airworthiness Certificate. the current N number is on the AW certificate and Limitations.
5. do a condition inspection
6. fly airplane

the Application is FAA form 8130-6

no FAA inspection of the aircraft is required. just a paperwork thing

note: not all DARs can do amended certificates

David Kelm

[dcsfoto]

once expired after 90 days it must be reregistered and will get a new number

David Kelm

[avidflyer]

Was I correct in my post in saying the current owner could get things straightened out with the FAA regarding a lapsed registration caused by the Post office returning the three year registration renewal sent from the FAA? Again, I'm not arguing, I just want to know what's what. Thanks for your replys. Jim Chuk

[tx_swordguy]

I am not a DAR and thus my original question. With that said my research into this stated that once a registration has expired (regardless of reason) for more than 90 days the n-number is on hold and unavailable for 5 yrs. I could find no mention of registering the number again during this time regardless of who was trying to do it. That brought me to the AW cert and whether or not a whole new AW inspection was needed.

[avidflyer]

I just got off the phone with the Minneapolis FSDO and it seems that within 3 years of the registration being expired, it is fairly easy for the current owner to reestablish the registration. A call to the Oklahoma FAA aircraft registration will start the process. The guy I talked to gave me this # to call: 1-866-726-9434. He said it's usually best to call earlier in the morning. He also said that after 3 years the N# may get issued to another aircraft. The guy I talked to was very helpful, and easy to talk to. I know we are usually scared of these guys at the FAA, but every time I've had anything to do with them they were very decent and helpful. If I was involved with the aircraft that started this discussion, I would go right to the final authority and call the FAA to find out what to do. After all, they will be the ones saying yes or no when all is said and done. Jim Chuk