House paint?

[gizmos]

I painted my neiuport 11 with house latex paint and it looks great. It has a uv block in the paint but I still use steward primer. Has anyone painted their kf with another cheaper paint?

[n85ae]

Rolling and Tipping the paint on my Zenith with EasyPoxy marine paint,
swear I will NEVER go back to using a spray gun after learning how to do
this process. Just open the garage door, and start painting, mask not
required, and looks like spray after drying.

Would imagine with a flex additive you could do the same on fabric.
I sprayed the Fox with Aerothane, and have sprayed System Three
WR-LPU on some of the Zenith parts. EasyPoxy is my favorite system
now MUCH safer, and easier (but not sure about fabric). Latex house
paint makes sense if you get a good quality paint.

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-SGcSlNmoo

Regards,
Jeff



I painted my neiuport 11 with house latex paint and it looks great. It has a uv block in the paint but I still use steward primer. Has anyone painted their kf with another cheaper paint?

[896tr]

A friend of mine painted his Taylorcraft with latex house paint and it looked FANTASTIC!:D, for about a year. Then the cracks started showing up. House paint doesn't have the flexibility that fabric requires.:mad:

[Flienlow]

Wow! Can this technique be used on an aluminum plane?

[n85ae]

If you're talking about Rolling and Tipping the answer is yes, I am painting
my Zenith CH801 with it, and very happy with the process. I previously
painted my Fox with Aerothane via spray. After working with the marine
paint for a while, I believe you could roll aerothane as well with foam rollers
and a tipping brush. It would probably require something to slow down the
paint drying but I bet it would work. I'm 100% convinced rolling and tipping
is a better way to paint for kit builders. You CAN roll marine two part
poly without the danger of airborne nasty stuff, and aerothane is not really
unique other than that it has flex additive in it and is thin.

The real secret to rolling paint, is that the paint MUST be able to flow out
and lay flat before it sets. If you can do this, rolled paint looks just as good
as sprayed paint.

A HUGE advantage to me is no mask, no forced air respirator, just radio on
and some rubber gloves. Just need to have fresh air in coming in the work area.

I got a VERY nice paint job on the Fox with Aerothane, BUT it was a very
dangerous process. I tried Waterborne Poly on the Zenith to avoid the
hazards. BUT the waterborne Polyurethan is a MAJOR hassle to work with
because it either dries too fast or runs too easily, and I was never happy.
Painting via roll and tip with "Petit Easypoxy" is really pleasurable experience.

There's a TON of paint that will roll and tip available, just go to:

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com

If you talk to airplane guys, they will almost all roll their eyes if you
mention rolling paint. It is based on ignorance. Go look around boats for a
while you will see "rolling and tipping" is very widely used.

Regards,
Jeff



Wow! Can this technique be used on an aluminum plane?

[n85ae]

Here's a few paint pics. One is the Kitfox wing which I sprayed with Aerothane
with the garage virtually turned into a spray booth with plastic, while
wearing Tyvek, and using a forced air respirator.

The Next is my Zenith 801 fueslage I am working on painting with "rolling
and tipping". while using no protective gear other than rubber gloves and
an open door with odor no worse than a bit of paint smell in the air. This
was painted with Petit EasyPoxy.

Last pic is rubbing out orange peel in Waterborne polyurethane, a paint
that I really hate working with. It's very safe to work with, but runs
super easy, OR dries too fast and doesn't flow out. A REAL hassle to work
with. This paint is System Three WR-LPU, really tough paint but a
MAJOR PITA to work with.

Same garage in all pics. If I painted a fabric plane again, I would make an
effort to experiment and see if there is a way to roll and tip Aerothane. If I
paint a metal plane (I am) I would use Petit Easypoxy.

Reqards,
Jeff Hays

[mr bill]

What did you use as a primer and how did you apply it?

[n85ae]

For the Aluminum on the Zenith CH801 I used the following which I rolled
on with a good quality foam roller, I tipped the paint with 2" foam brushes

Petit Easypoxy

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=1329&familyName=Pettit+EasyPoxy+Topside+Paint

Petit 6455 Metal Primer

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/product.do?part=14639&engine=adwords!6456&keyword=product_ad_6699&type=pla

[n85ae]

Here's another pic from the front of the Zenith, I painted this with no masking
or covering, I just carefully rolled around the edges. Try doing that with
spray ... The Gear attach bracket, I kid you not simply I brushed it with a
really good quality brush ...

The firewall where you see bare metal is actually primed already with a
waterborne primer called Cortec 373, which will be topcoated in the future.

4182

[gizmos]

Where in Southern California can you buy Petit Easypoxy? Save on haz shipping fees

[jtpitkin06]

Where in Southern California can you buy Petit Easypoxy? Save on haz shipping fees

West Marine - many stores in California

[n85ae]

Our local West Marine is very expensive so mail order is still cheaper with
the hazard fee's ... Also if you paint with this stuff, read the instructions first
and above all do some practice :) It is an easy process, BUT you can still
screw up. Thinning is important because the thinner is what slows the curing
and lets the paint lay down nicely.

Regards,
Jeff


West Marine - many stores in California

[jtpitkin06]

Where to find Pettit Easypoxy

http://www.pettitpaint.com/retl_lookup.asp

[FoxDB]

Has anyone tried roll and tipp with Polytone? We are currently recovering my Tailwind with Polyfiber process and would like to avoid spraying.

[tommg13780]

From my experience which is fairly limited the poly-tone products melt into the previous layers. I've tried to brush out runs and the color coat will mingle with the polyspray underneath making a mess. The more you brush it the bigger and uglier it gets. The result is by far worse than the original defect. Eventually I discovered the masking tape loop for dealing with runs which came from a post which I believe was offered by John Pitkin. Now I've overcome the tendancy to pile on too much paint per coat and will soon achieve the coveted status of self appointed expert.
Tom Parkhurst
KF IV Speedster recover/paint in progress (N91KS)

[n85ae]

You could try polytone on a test panel? Why not?

Even with the Easypoxy if you screw around while painting you will mess it
up. You really have to work at a tempo, roll it out, tip off the bubbles,
and move on I usually let runs, etc, dry and then sand them out and recoat
the area. Unless the paint around it is still very wet, then I hit it with the
roller and roll it out.

I bet you could roll and tip polytone if you were working over well
cured old paint. You would need to roll it on quickly, and immediately tip it
off then stay out of it. try it though, why not? Just make a test panel
and roll and tip it, see what happens? Let it dry, and try another quick
coat.

The thing to remember is that the underlying paint does not instantly melt
so as long as you lay it on, and get off quickly you're probably good. So
I would definetly try a practice panel. If you go back and forth with a
brush with easypoxy you'll melt the underlying paint also and make a
mess.

Remember - Use a solvent resistant foam roller, roll it on quickly in an
area no bigger than you can work quickly on. Then very lightly swipe
across the surface with a foam brush going from the dry side to the
wet side. Then move on to the next small section. I do about 2'x3'
sections at a time with easypoxy.

Regards,
Jeff

[tommg13780]

Jeff,
I appreciate the comments and intend to do exactly what you are suggesting. I have a 3 rib wing that was used for practicing rib lacing that should be a good test bed for the "roll and tip" paint method. I'm definitely in agreement with you as far as reducing the intake of fumes and besides that it's not practical to spray during cold temperatures due to heating and ventilation concerns. I will post results soon.
Tom

[n85ae]

I would buy some Polytone retarder to slow the drying time I think it is the
RR 8500 they have listed on their website. EasyPoxy uses Naptha which
slows it enough that it flows out nicely. If the paint sets too quickly you'll
probably see too much stipple in the pant.

Regards,
Jeff